I found this place on Google after the Riverdale place was a total wash and I'm so glad I kept driving because I got there about 9:30 at night it was quiet there was a camp host there but I didn't talk to him and there were plenty of spaces open it was it's a lot Whittier and secluded secluded so it's really quiet at night you definitely hear the birds in everything and it's a it's pretty cool temperature wise so just fair warning if you're inattentive you're in A-tent the bathrooms are clean so thumbs up