I was here just before labor day weekend and almost had all to myself. If you drive from Sundance, follow USFS directions; Google maps tried to direct me up a dead end road. Road from Aladdin side is better and easier. Nice trail (Cliff Swallow trail) that I was able to start on right next to my site. Toilets were clean. Take your own water; pump is down by the host site. Looked like most sites had some shade during the day.