Awesome awesome campsite for seclusion and great views. A nice hill right next to camp provides a great look out and dinner spot if you want to carry a table and chairs to the top. Old ore road will take at minimum of 1 hour from the paved road no matter where you start it from. 4x4 is recommended. Great spot if you want to camp and relax but if you want to visit other parts of the park the road out each day really slows you down. Great campsite if you have the extra drive time.