Campsite felt larger than some of the other ones in upper pines, we could fit 3 vehicles if needed. Plenty of spots for tents and hammocks. We knew the storms were in the forecast and we found out it does make a lake towards the center of the campsite with the fireplace is where the center of the lake kinda is. If you call here during rain season place your stuff up high, lake also had the bear box at the shores.